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kind of have to start over hey guys okay

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start over on that one yeah okay I'll

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try to be quick so your phone is basic

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so there's a lot of news about these

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extraordinary lights in the sky in LA

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knows that by now however SpaceX tried

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to let people know before it happened

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you know to keep an eye out that this

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spectacular light show would be

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happening near LA and people would be

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able to see it but it still sparked a

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lot of people going what the heck you

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know they they just didn't know what was

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got a call from Lee Spiegel is in San

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Francisco working with our friend James

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had their neighbor came over and said

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they all ran out and they're amazed by

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what they saw I'm liek if Nicole oh my

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gosh we just saw a UFO and he sent me

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pictures and they were amazing but the

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essentially what happened and I have my

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little rocket pen here to demonstrate

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this is actually the Saturn 5 but the

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the rocket took off and leaves behind

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this gas trail and you see these plumes

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of the gas and what's exciting and this

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is why we should be excited about having

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the pictures and this whole thing being

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historic because it also looked cool

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coming down because it came back

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rockets usually don't come back this is

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the first time this rocket landed on the

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ground now SpaceX has had falcon 9

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rocket launch and come land black on the

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planet again to be reusable but in the

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past they've used these remote drone

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boats that they land on because like the

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first couple times it happen the the

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rockets fall over and explode and people

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would have died if they would have been

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on board they were damaged so this was

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the first time on land so that's I think

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so extremely exciting amazing and you

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know is this his this

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remotely-operated or is it all do you

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computer-operated oh yeah

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the whole thing is all computer operated

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computers in control because it makes

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these minut adjustments just tons and

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tons and essentially just the bigger

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computer you have the better you can do

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this sort of thing and the computers

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ground like Buck Rogers or something

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to be the first likely to be the first

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to take humans space for the u.s. again

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were going to actually land that rocket

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now is behind but they may catch up with

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space people in space next year sometime

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but their rocket is going to land on

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them but not like this

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balloons they have that that blow up and

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then this thing lands on the ground kind

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of on these these balloons so that's how

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they're gonna do it balloons on the

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underside of it are you're talking about

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know a capsule I'm looking for something

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that looks like a capsule right oh

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inflate and then it's just good monk and

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it lands on the ground so just tons of

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next couple of years being launched and

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to the planet so it's going to be an

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it's that the the Space Age again we're

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only continue as humanity before we kind

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of blow ourselves up again or something

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people see in the sky and especially for

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those of us who felt UFOs because a lot

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there's a story there's a few stories

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had written about it an interactive Mac

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1940 well they're not alien sightings

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essentially casino org put up this UFO

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site where they're giving us the odds

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what are the odds that you would see a

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different states and different countries

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sightings so it is really interesting

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site really cool stuff there

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whoever put together that sites really

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probably come in peace so these are all

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ideas that people should check out

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excellent ok Alejandro thanks so much no

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problem thank you alright

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ok everyone and I'll talk to you next

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week I appreciate it

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you know ok everyone we have to go into

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so Paul Stark he is a he is a producer

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Paul welcome to the show thank you hi

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Martin thank you for having me on your

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show sure enough a thanks for your

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patience when I was running behind today

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big move there so yeah could have

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Toronto uh-huh and how did you get into

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never just rest on your laurels you're

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always having to prove yourself and so

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award-winning films and I have to say

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ever produced oh wow

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yeah I know people people will forget

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of a lot of the actors like where are

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they now I haven't seen this you know

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this person or that person for forever

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hugely successful people who were know

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just an independent guy

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I'm not well-known yet and so it's got

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here so this topic is this something

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that you've wanted to explore I mean

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it's you know pretty pretty interesting

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someone can actually watch it or is that

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I know it was in limited theaters at one

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time right yeah that's right so we did

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release it to a limited number of

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theaters back earlier this year in

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January and it's been screened in

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theaters across Canada and also in the

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UK and there was also a recent screening

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in Cincinnati Ohio but we're actually

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about to release the film online now so

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that the entire world can get to see

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this film and the date for that release

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is coming up this Saturday October 13

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and how's that and we'll talk a little

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bit when we're back on kgr a radio how

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is that you said online so how are

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people going to watch that it's not like

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Netflix or anything like that just

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something you'd have to order uh yeah

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that's right it's uh you're probably

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familiar with Vimeo yep mm-hmm

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so Vimeo has a platform a video

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on-demand platform that allows people to

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to show their films and to you know to

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allow people to either rent it or buy it

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yeah and so let me be on the videos

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video on demand platform that we'll be

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releasing it I see okay I think we're

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about ready to go back race we're ready

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to go about twenty seconds away Martin

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okay all right very good

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so all right so we'll get through all

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that we'll also get into where it's

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going to be released and everything

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during our talk today all right

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that's a long 20 seconds race I want to

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let a little a little bit of that bumper

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roll first

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okay there's 20 seconds till the bumper

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started I wanna add a few all right

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sounds good okay here we go my friend

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yeah in five four three two all right

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welcome back my guest is Paul Stark

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he has a movie out called the Vatican

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deception we're on kgr a radio and the

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show is podcast UFO and we're on every

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Tuesday on kgr a radio and we're also

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you can watch us on live on youtube

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streaming at the same time and that's

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6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time

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every Tuesday alright so again we were

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before the break I don't have a couple

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of minutes so if you can kind of tell

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the listening audience basically your

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background and and then we'll we'll talk

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about we'll talk about your movie and a

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certain part of it I want to talk about

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Fatima very interested in that so so if

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you would give your background if you

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would to the you went to film school we

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talked about on the break and just kind

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of fill in the listener over kgr a radio

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yeah sure so I actually I actually

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started by studying business and the

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reason I got that business background

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was because in the film business you you

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have to run a business so I have a

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degree from Sir Wilfrid Laurier

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University and after I graduated there I

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started studying filmmaking at Ryerson

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University in Toronto Canada and from

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from there I decided to open up or start

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my own film production company so when I

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did that one of the first projects that

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I produced was a short film which I

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submitted to enough

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festivals in North America and the film

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ended up winning a number of awards in

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in Hollywood in New York and in Houston

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and Toronto and so that was my start to

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filmmaking I thought if I'm able to do

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this on the first film hopefully I can

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reproduce the success and start

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producing bigger films I had a gentleman

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named Brice as Abel on and on the show a

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while ago he's brilliant guy and his

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wife said to him one day you know you

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should you should write like a movies

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you you could do that

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and like the very first one he ended up

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doing I forget within dark dark skies or

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something like that ended up doing all

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these series one right after the other

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was a hit you know I mean not a big hit

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but I mean enough to sustain so some

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people do get lucky and some people

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really have the mind for that for the

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YouTube listener

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it looks like do you have like an

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antique computer behind you is that what

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I'm looking at is that open pewter or

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what are you in a computer store or

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something that's yeah you're looking at

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an old CRT television which I've been

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meaning place but yeah that is an

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antique I guess by today's standards you

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know it still works and III haven't used

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it for probably over a year now but yeah

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III think that it's time for an upgrade

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well hey no it might be worth something

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someday I know the Apple one the Apple

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the first Apple computer just looks like

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a keyboard with a bunch of wires it sold

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for over two million dollars at auction

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a few years ago you know their exam

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experimental model so there is it there

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is going to be a market I'm in kind of

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like in the market for antiques and all

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that stuff and there is going to be a

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market someday for computers but yeah I

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know I'll be long gone by then anyway

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well the key is that the rest of the

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equipment is up to date so that's that's

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the most important that's right that's

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right

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so

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I'd like to jump in and talk about

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Fatima because I mentioned kind of in

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the intro that there are different

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people have different takes on what and

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what took place it's very it's really

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fascinating I know it began October 13th

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I think it was at 1917 which is wait did

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I get that sort of right sort sort of

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October 13 was actually the last date

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that the apparitions took place and they

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started six months earlier on May 13

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1917 now and some some people want to

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take it the complete you know alien way

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and say that the being was an alien

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actually and then there's the religious

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side where I think your film gets into

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and they want to say it was a prophecy

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and all that so have you looked at both

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sides or because the one thing you know

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also called the miracle of the Sun that

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one thing sounds an awful lot like a UFO

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and a number of people have had

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mentioned that some a good friend of the

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show Sam moranto has been on the show he

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he was following that could be possibly

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a UFO and it's certainly unidentified

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that's for sure but can you for the

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first time listener that's never heard

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about the Fatima incident can you kind

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of in a nutshell tell the story if you

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would yeah sure I'll try to keep it as

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concise as I can that because there's

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just so much there's so much history

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there there's so much detail well we

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have playa design yes sir oh oh oh I'll

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fill in all of that detail for you as

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much as I can as concisely as I can

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first of all just to clarify you

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mentioned that this is sort of looking

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at the religious side of it to some

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extent yes because you know we're

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showing we're showing what the children

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reported and you know obviously their

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experience was a religion

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experience and so we had to look at it

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from that standpoint but for your

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listeners who are wondering this is

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actually an investigative documentary

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and what it does is it investigates sure

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we have to give some detail about what

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happened in 1917 but then what we're

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interested in is what the Vatican did

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with that information afterwards and

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that's what the investigation is about

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what's being concealed and what isn't

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and and what's going on there so you

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know with that overview I'll give you a

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little bit of the history of what

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happened in 1917 and what these children

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reported so it began on may well it

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began before May 13 but you know her for

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simplicity let's just say on May 13 this

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is when the children started reporting

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that the Blessed Virgin was appearing to

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them and at the beginning they seemed to

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know that it was the Blessed Virgin that

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was there sense of it but she never

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really identified herself to them she so

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the children were also referring to her

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as a lady of light and she would appear

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to them every single month on the same

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day at the same time usually it was

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around it was around noon hour

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on the 13th day of every month and on

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the July 13 apparition this lady of

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light the children reported that she

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revealed a set of prophecies to the

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children and these prophecies were

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referred to as the three secrets of

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Fatima and you can imagine you know with

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every passing month people were learning

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about what these children were reporting

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and they were becoming curious they were

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wondering what's going on and so crowds

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were growing every month there were

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bigger crowds coming out to see what was

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going on and only the children could see

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the Blessed Virgin anybody who came out

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there didn't see what the children saw

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what they were seeing though was what

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the people would see was

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something a little bit more like they

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would notice for example that the the

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Sun the hot Sun would be a little bit

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dimmed they were able to look at the Sun

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without it hurting their eyes they would

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see other signs like sometimes they

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would see like what seemed like a cloud

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over the tree where the the children

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were reporting that they were seeing the

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Blessed Virgin there were other types of

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signs that they saw like petals falling

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from the sky so these are the sort of

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things that the people saw but the

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children they saw this lady of light and

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so what was happening over time the news

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the secular media was catching wind

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about these apparitions and they started

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reporting about it in the news and that

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a lot of people believed that the

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children were making up the stories some

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people didn't buy it at all and so these

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children were being persecuted and even

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Lucia I'll give you the names of the

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three children so Lucia was the oldest

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one Lucia and dos Santos and she was

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there with her two younger cousins

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Jacinta and Francisco Marco Marco and

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Lucia was 10 years old her her cousins

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Jacinta was seven and Martin and

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Francisco was eight and so Lucy's mother

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her own mother thought that she was

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lying that she was making these stories

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up and she persecuted her own daughter

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and the people from the neighborhood

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we're also persecuting these kids and

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the media was mocking them and the

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persecutions became so bad that Lucia

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finally decided to ask this lady can you

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perform a miracle so people will believe

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that you're really appearing to us and

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so she said yeah keep coming every month

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at the same time on the same day and on

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the final apparition I'll perform a

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miracle for everybody to see and so

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on October 13 the final apparition there

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was a crowd of 70,000 people that came

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out in the fields in the middle of

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nowhere

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to see what was going to happen the

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secular media came out there were

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photographers everybody came out in this

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field to see what was gonna happen

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and it's worth noting that during that

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night before there were torrential rains

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that were falling and the rain was so

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heavy that it it flooded the fields

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00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:56,040
there was water everywhere there was mud

545
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,930
people were soaked coming out in the

546
00:25:03,920 --> 00:24:59,520
field but it didn't deter them they

547
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:03,930
still came out and at exactly the time

548
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:07,410
predicted they looked up in the sky and

549
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:09,930
they could see the clouds parting and

550
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,980
they said that what they witnessed was

551
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:15,120
what they called the miracle of the Sun

552
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:19,050
and what they saw what was at the

553
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:21,150
beginning they said that the Sun looked

554
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:24,420
like a disc that was spinning and it was

555
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:26,190
possible for them to look at it with

556
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:27,990
their eyes without it hurting their eyes

557
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,650
and it began to move in a zigzag pattern

558
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,320
and it began throwing off colors and

559
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:36,600
they said that they noticed all around

560
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:40,950
them the colors of you know everything

561
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:43,740
looked multicolored their clothes looked

562
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,050
colored the trees the grass everything

563
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:48,930
looked colored and so this continued for

564
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,210
a while with the with the Sun moving

565
00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:53,460
around in a zig-zag pattern and at one

566
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,780
point they said it looked like it had

567
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:56,700
detached itself from the sky

568
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:59,100
and they it looked like it was

569
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:01,020
plummeting toward the earth and

570
00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:03,510
everybody who was there started to panic

571
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,060
people started to you know feel like

572
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:07,980
they were going to die people fell to

573
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:11,100
their knees they began to pray they were

574
00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:14,700
praying for forgiveness and and then the

575
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:17,670
Sun returned to its natural orbit in the

576
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:20,970
sky but that was the end of it the whole

577
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:23,130
thing lasted for about ten minutes

578
00:26:28,340 --> 00:26:26,790
and everybody said that when this whole

579
00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:28,350
thing was over they noticed that

580
00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:32,280
everything was suddenly dry all of that

581
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,590
water that had fallen overnight

582
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:37,860
it had been it was gone and I remembered

583
00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:40,200
scientists reading a report about house

584
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:42,750
and scientists said that the amount of

585
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:45,590
energy that would have been required to

586
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:48,779
evaporate that much water in that sort

587
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:51,000
of amount of time would have incinerated

588
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:54,809
the people so it was a very interesting

589
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:57,529
phenomenon everybody who was there

590
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:00,840
reported the same thing and that was

591
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:03,779
essentially what they called the miracle

592
00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:07,770
of the Sun now the remote 70,000 people

593
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:12,870
in the middle of nowhere and it's just

594
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,720
it's just really really really something

595
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:18,240
else and there's a lot of images anyone

596
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:21,179
can find of these images on Google or

597
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:23,970
anywhere else online and people with

598
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:28,980
their umbrellas and all that so here's

599
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:31,529
the here's the the thing about

600
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:33,450
everything drying is really bizarre and

601
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:35,610
I know mud was dried up into regular

602
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:41,370
dried like soil or whatever but we know

603
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:43,710
that the Sun didn't actually do that you

604
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,630
know the Sun of course all the

605
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:46,980
scientists in the world would say hey

606
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,809
the Sun did something really weird one

607
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:50,640
day we also know that the sun's not

608
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,950
really connected to us like like it

609
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:54,659
could fall down into the you know from

610
00:28:02,240 --> 00:27:58,799
the sky and all that so the only part

611
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:02,250
that doesn't sound like it's just a

612
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:05,700
plane you know UFO of some kind is when

613
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:08,039
it seems to go back to its normal state

614
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:11,480
you know that doesn't fit the rest of of

615
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,799
what you'd consider like a UFO so yeah

616
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,960
there there is that but there's another

617
00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:21,210
thing that that I find very interesting

618
00:28:26,539 --> 00:28:24,270
with all of this and and because I have

619
00:28:29,539 --> 00:28:26,549
heard how some people suggested that

620
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,549
maybe it was a UFO sighting there's

621
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,010
other people who also suggested that it

622
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:33,600
might have been a mass hallucination

623
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:38,100
yeah but getting back to the the UFO

624
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:40,230
theory one thing that I found very

625
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:43,250
interesting about this entire event is

626
00:28:48,259 --> 00:28:47,100
the religious aspect of it and you know

627
00:28:51,349 --> 00:28:48,269
it's difficult

628
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:51,359
to ignore that part of it when you look

629
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:54,799
back actually before May 13 before these

630
00:29:00,709 --> 00:28:57,779
apparitions started

631
00:29:03,729 --> 00:29:00,719
Lucia reported that something else had

632
00:29:06,709 --> 00:29:03,739
happened before that the year before and

633
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,719
what it was was she said that there were

634
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:08,580
there was an angel that appeared to her

635
00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:12,320
she called it an angel and this angel

636
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,389
when it appeared to her it I don't know

637
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:21,059
how familiar you are with the with the

638
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,539
Catholic Mass you might know about you

639
00:29:28,459 --> 00:29:26,700
know how they they they receive the

640
00:29:31,099 --> 00:29:28,469
Eucharist and the body and blood of

641
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:31,109
Christ they they call it these children

642
00:29:37,219 --> 00:29:33,929
they received the body and blood of

643
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,229
Christ in the sort of a divine form it

644
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:39,659
appeared to them and they saw this

645
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:41,849
Eucharist and a chalice floating before

646
00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:46,609
them and they received this communion

647
00:29:53,479 --> 00:29:50,669
from an angel or with with the the

648
00:29:55,729 --> 00:29:53,489
presence of this angel so the thing that

649
00:30:00,079 --> 00:29:55,739
I find doesn't make sense with the UFO

650
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:00,089
story is that why would you have this

651
00:30:06,949 --> 00:30:04,799
religious thing like UFOs normally don't

652
00:30:09,979 --> 00:30:06,959
function that way you know you don't

653
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,989
usually associate UFOs with with the

654
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:11,940
Eucharist and with the receiving of a

655
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,940
communion so that's kind of that's the

656
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:16,919
thing that really comes to mind for me

657
00:30:22,339 --> 00:30:20,729
and also the messages when you look at

658
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:22,349
the messages that these children receive

659
00:30:26,779 --> 00:30:24,059
they were all messages they were

660
00:30:29,419 --> 00:30:26,789
warnings about what was coming

661
00:30:31,459 --> 00:30:29,429
they were warnings they I I don't

662
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:31,469
remember ever hearing about a UFO that

663
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:33,299
predicted something that was coming

664
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:36,089
so these predictions also make it very

665
00:30:43,069 --> 00:30:39,929
interesting you know what you do here is

666
00:30:47,209 --> 00:30:43,079
you - we hear a lot of a lot of people

667
00:30:50,209 --> 00:30:47,219
are that have had encounters say that

668
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,219
they have like a warning or they could

669
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:53,039
see the earth and turmoil you know

670
00:30:56,659 --> 00:30:54,539
whether its climate change or whatever

671
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:56,669
it is we have to take care of the

672
00:31:02,170 --> 00:30:58,169
plaintiff that's a message that a lot of

673
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,180
people do discuss and then you know

674
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:04,740
playing devil's advocate a little bit

675
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:10,050
perhaps if going back the other way if

676
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:12,900
it was some type of and I don't have to

677
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:15,420
say aliens if it was some type of being

678
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,260
or whatever

679
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:18,480
perhaps they were communicating in a way

680
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:20,550
that they thought would be understood

681
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:24,390
you know but the secrets of Fatima now

682
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:26,970
there's the two that were released and

683
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:29,100
then there's the third one that was

684
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:33,150
supposed to be read actually by the

685
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:35,210
Vatican right by the Pope of whatever

686
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:38,340
released basically in 1960 do I have

687
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:42,630
that right yes that's right so whatever

688
00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:45,510
happened to the and do you know why they

689
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,030
never never talked about the third

690
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:51,840
secret yeah we do have quite a bit of

691
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:55,770
information about it to begin with the

692
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:58,170
first two secrets they were revealed in

693
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:02,340
the 1940s early 1940's and the third

694
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:04,560
secret was as you say was supposed to be

695
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:07,830
released in 1960 and we know this

696
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:10,650
because the world was anticipating the

697
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:14,100
release back in the 1950s there was a

698
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:16,230
film made about the whole story of

699
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:19,470
Fatima and what happened in 1917 Warner

700
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:21,570
Brothers released a film about it and it

701
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:23,310
was actually nominated for an Academy

702
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:27,630
Award in 1953 so you know so everybody

703
00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:30,990
knew that this third secret was supposed

704
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,180
to be released and they knew that it was

705
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:36,480
supposed to be 1960 the release year so

706
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:40,830
when 1960 came the Vatican decided not

707
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,580
to release it and there was a lot of

708
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:46,860
speculation around what was going on why

709
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,100
they weren't releasing it and so that

710
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:52,440
became the mystery over the last 50

711
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,240
years now now if you want to find out

712
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,480
what that secrets about you know anybody

713
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:03,000
who claims that they know the exact

714
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,090
details of it you know I don't I would I

715
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:07,860
would be skeptical about whether they do

716
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:10,500
or not but we do have enough information

717
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,390
out there to have a pretty good

718
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,840
understanding of its essence and

719
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:18,480
just before you move on I just wanted

720
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:20,190
you to clarify how do you have that

721
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:23,880
information so this is from testimonies

722
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,590
of people who have actually handled the

723
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,039
secret or read the third secret so these

724
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:31,860
are like first what they call that it's

725
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:34,890
like primary source information and one

726
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,890
of the one of the key testimonies comes

727
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:40,380
from well there's a number of them one

728
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:41,700
of the people who spoke about it as a

729
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:43,950
man by the name of Father Malachi Martin

730
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,110
oh yes yeah he was in the Vatican during

731
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:52,559
this time in the 1960s when they was

732
00:34:00,039 --> 00:33:56,039
supposed to be released and his Cardinal

733
00:34:02,899 --> 00:34:00,049
Cardinal baya was close to the Pope and

734
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:02,909
he had a chance to read the Third Secret

735
00:34:08,359 --> 00:34:05,990
of fátima through Cardinal baya

736
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:08,369
father Malik I had a chance to read it

737
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,649
through Cardinal Bay and so he knew the

738
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:13,619
details of it and he had done a number

739
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,050
of interviews on the art bell show

740
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:18,659
during the 1990s and he was interviewed

741
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:20,010
at length about a number of things

742
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:22,760
including the prophecy of Fatima and

743
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:26,550
father Malik I had talked about it some

744
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:29,399
of the things that he said was that the

745
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:32,310
The Secret of Fatima it involved two key

746
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,080
things number one he said that it would

747
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:39,599
have something to do with the great

748
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:42,780
apostasy like a wholesale he called in a

749
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:45,810
wholesale apostasy throughout the church

750
00:34:52,579 --> 00:34:48,599
among laity and among the Catholic

751
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,589
clergy and he said the other salient

752
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,200
characteristic about it is that it means

753
00:35:01,579 --> 00:34:58,140
intense suffering globally for the

754
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:01,589
entire world so that's that's one thing

755
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:03,630
that we know about the Third Secret and

756
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:06,359
you know when you analyze and you dig

757
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:08,630
into this you start to realize

758
00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:11,700
especially for anybody who belongs to

759
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:14,430
the Catholic faith if you start to hear

760
00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:17,940
about this this wholesale apostasy it's

761
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:19,950
it's basically it's an attack on your

762
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,359
own faith it's it's um it's it's an

763
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:27,359
abandonment of faith that could have a

764
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:29,250
devastating impact on the

765
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:32,660
entire church of 1.2 billion people so

766
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,070
that would pretty much fit the bill of

767
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:37,920
something that would you know that would

768
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,330
give motivation that would give

769
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:42,000
motivation to the the top people in the

770
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:45,930
church to conceal interesting and I know

771
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:49,440
you know right now the of course the

772
00:35:56,330 --> 00:35:53,630
Catholic you know religion is under fire

773
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:56,340
basically with the with a lot of

774
00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:59,640
scandals going on so they're probably

775
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:03,180
this is something they wouldn't you know

776
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,740
feel like they had to release I mean

777
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:06,860
they have their hands full right now

778
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,170
yeah that's that's right there's enough

779
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:12,720
controversy now that it's not something

780
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,030
they would want to bring up and yet it's

781
00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:17,700
interesting because you know if you went

782
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,100
back to the 1960s when this was actually

783
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:22,560
supposed to be released and if you had

784
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:25,230
told a Catholic back then that such a

785
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:28,220
time would would come in our lifetime

786
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:32,790
when the church would unravel and they

787
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,690
would appear to be collapsing back then

788
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,640
they would never have believed it they

789
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:40,200
would have said you're crazy this

790
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:42,690
institutions 2,000 years old and it

791
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:45,030
survived and for you to say something

792
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:46,530
like that just doesn't make any sense

793
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:49,830
and yet here we are now the prediction

794
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:52,380
is actually fulfilling itself we are

795
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:55,800
seeing scandals beyond our imagination

796
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,520
and even Pope Benedict the 16th last

797
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:02,640
year he himself said that churches on

798
00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:04,170
the verge of capsizing

799
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:07,620
so what seemed to be like an impossible

800
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,350
prediction is actually fulfilling itself

801
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,140
so this is what you know I find very

802
00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:15,660
interesting with the Fatima prophecies

803
00:37:20,570 --> 00:37:18,990
is this was predicted and it could never

804
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:20,580
have been it could never have been

805
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:23,580
imagined so this was that was one of the

806
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:25,890
things that were that were predicted in

807
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:30,450
and one of the so-called secrets that's

808
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:30,960
right

809
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,470
so what we're referring to here is where

810
00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:37,020
Malachi Martin talked about the the

811
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:39,600
great apostasy or the apostille the

812
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:42,030
wholesale apostasy in the church there

813
00:37:49,309 --> 00:37:43,079
was another car

814
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:49,319
actually a cardinal t@b who also read

815
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,619
the third secret and he also said that

816
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,200
in the third secret it is foretold among

817
00:37:59,420 --> 00:37:57,660
other things that the great apostasy in

818
00:38:03,499 --> 00:37:59,430
the church would begin at the top

819
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:03,509
well he's referring to something you

820
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:04,619
know obviously at the very highest

821
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:08,609
levels of the hierarchy something like

822
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:11,700
that again like you know it would have

823
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:13,529
been hard to imagine something like that

824
00:38:20,209 --> 00:38:17,249
even even 15 or 20 years ago and yet

825
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:20,219
here we are now living and seeing for

826
00:38:27,289 --> 00:38:25,140
ourselves we have a lot of stuff going

827
00:38:30,019 --> 00:38:27,299
on as you've been hearing in the media

828
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:30,029
that is making you wonder what's going

829
00:38:34,819 --> 00:38:32,249
on at the top and and do they even still

830
00:38:39,469 --> 00:38:34,829
believe in their own values in their own

831
00:38:40,759 --> 00:38:39,479
their own faith their own dogma and you

832
00:38:43,509 --> 00:38:40,769
know I'll let people answer that

833
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,519
question for themselves but you know I

834
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:45,900
you have brought the tension to it

835
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:48,359
obviously something's going on but it

836
00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:51,930
was predicted and we're seeing it yeah

837
00:38:59,660 --> 00:38:54,229
all right so we're ready to go to break

838
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,670
so hang in there we'll be back for kgr a

839
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:01,920
radio this is Martyn Willis with my

840
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:14,300
yeah all right let me count here one two

841
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:20,380
three or four minutes and 26 seconds

842
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:24,930
okay set the time I did yep okay

843
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:27,400
sorry that I missed you there Martin

844
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:30,310
your message oh oh yeah no problem no

845
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:32,020
problem I danced I found and I looked up

846
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:34,530
and you'd already messaged me there yeah

847
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:37,390
okay hey race before you go just let you

848
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,400
know up just shoot me over the raw file

849
00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:42,880
right after would you yes sir yeah I

850
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:43,780
appreciate that

851
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,080
Thanks Thanks alright so um in this

852
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:51,280
break we'll actually be taking calls you

853
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:54,190
know in a little bit so Evan if you

854
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,440
don't mind putting up the call number up

855
00:40:01,680 --> 00:39:59,680
there so we'll be taking calls in this

856
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:01,690
second hour it's not going to be quite

857
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:04,030
an hour because we're on the radio

858
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:06,460
station and it's cutting into their time

859
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:08,050
a little bit so it's going to be short

860
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:13,660
of that so for something for us to talk

861
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:17,770
about for about three and a half minutes

862
00:40:25,830 --> 00:40:23,050
here how about how your film has been

863
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:25,840
received so far it sounds like it sounds

864
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:29,200
like it it's actually got some momentum

865
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:32,110
what are some other parts in the film

866
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:35,020
besides you know Fatima can you just

867
00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:38,230
touch on some of those uh yes let me

868
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:40,120
think because I mean the focus obviously

869
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,130
is on the prophecies that predictions

870
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,040
and and how we're actually seeing the

871
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:47,230
fulfillment of them one of the

872
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:49,750
predictions was about the the start of

873
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:52,570
World War two that was very interesting

874
00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:54,490
and your listeners might want to have a

875
00:40:58,740 --> 00:40:55,960
look at this I don't know if I should

876
00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:58,750
wait until we get back back on but your

877
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:00,070
listeners that can have a look at this

878
00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:03,820
if you google aurora borealis which

879
00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:07,240
means Northern Lights and you look for

880
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:12,040
the date January 25th 1938 you'll find

881
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:14,980
that something happened on that date and

882
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:17,080
it was predicted by the prophecies of

883
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:20,290
Fatima the way the second secret was

884
00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:22,990
written it said when you see a strange

885
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:23,860
light

886
00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:25,180
so I'm sorry when you need to see a

887
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:26,860
night illuminated by a strange light

888
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:28,930
this would be a sign during the reign of

889
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:32,230
pius xi that our worst war is about to

890
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:36,190
break out and when you look at that date

891
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:40,180
January 25th 1938 aurora borealis you'll

892
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,760
find that there was a very strange light

893
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:45,040
that appeared in the sky and it was seen

894
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:47,470
on five different continents in 8th

895
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,870
England the light was so bright that

896
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,240
they thought Windsor Castle was burning

897
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:54,880
down and they actually dispatched fire

898
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,070
department they actually dispatched the

899
00:42:01,170 --> 00:41:58,720
fire department this is written up in

900
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:01,180
the New York Times because that's how

901
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:02,470
bright the light was they thought that

902
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:05,470
there was a fire at Windsor Castle so

903
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:12,300
now what happened 8 days after this the

904
00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:15,010
Hitler promoted himself to the general

905
00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:17,860
of the German army and about 34 days

906
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,020
after that they marched into Austria and

907
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:23,440
they annexed it to Germany and sure

908
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:25,750
enough said the Second World War it

909
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:28,120
escalated from there and what's

910
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:31,180
interesting is that that light that

911
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:33,670
seemed to have come right before the

912
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:36,270
beginning of World War 2 it actually

913
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:38,890
appeared exactly during the reign of

914
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,690
pope pius xi

915
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:42,880
now what's interesting with that is that

916
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:46,930
when the prediction was made that Pope

917
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:50,200
wasn't elected yet and as you may know

918
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:52,060
you know you don't normally know what

919
00:42:57,740 --> 00:42:54,910
name a pope will take on until they're

920
00:43:00,930 --> 00:42:57,750
elected and they choose their own name

921
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:00,940
so for them to know the name of the Pope

922
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,490
and to know that this light would happen

923
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:05,680
during his reign and that this that

924
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,250
would treat predicate the the start of

925
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:12,400
World War two it's all very impressive

926
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,590
so I find that's a very interesting

927
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:17,440
thing with with the Fatima prophecies

928
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:20,020
and maybe one other thing I can throw in

929
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,330
there quickly if we have time just one

930
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:25,320
of the seconds yep we're good to go

931
00:43:30,830 --> 00:43:27,370
sorry I could probably squeeze it in

932
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:30,840
there is that we we also discuss a

933
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:35,170
council that took place during 1960 it

934
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:37,120
was called the Second Vatican Council

935
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:39,460
and it revolutionized the church it

936
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:42,790
abandoned traditional dogma and it was

937
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:44,530
the beginning of the end if you can put

938
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:46,900
it that way of the church and it's

939
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:50,020
collapsed so here we go sorry

940
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:53,500
here we go Martin and five and this is

941
00:44:01,380 --> 00:43:56,380
commercial-free for the hour yep all

942
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:01,390
right here we go in five four three two

943
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:05,140
all right welcome back this is Martin

944
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:06,910
Willis my guest is Paul Stark

945
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:09,940
we're on kgr a radio and we are talking

946
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:15,420
about the Vatican and so much more

947
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:17,950
we I can't remember exactly where we

948
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:21,190
left off before the last break but we

949
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:22,990
were I believe talking about the

950
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:24,970
Catholic Church kind of crumbling

951
00:44:30,780 --> 00:44:28,620
possibly and the the current Pope is I

952
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:30,790
don't want to say controversial but a

953
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:32,890
little bit different than the norm

954
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:36,310
wouldn't you say yeah he's actually very

955
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:39,460
different from the norm I mean I just

956
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,240
read in the news recently there were

957
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:46,000
photos of him carrying what's called a

958
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:49,000
stain I don't know if you're you if

959
00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:50,770
you're viewers or listeners are familiar

960
00:44:58,500 --> 00:44:54,820
with that term it's apparently it's like

961
00:45:02,310 --> 00:44:58,510
a staff that is used by witches or for

962
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,320
witchcraft to see a pope carrying this

963
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:05,040
kind of thing instead of a crucifix is

964
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:08,530
is that it's extremely unusual you know

965
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:11,140
yeah it's you would never see anything

966
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,070
like that in the past he also there was

967
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:16,960
a time a couple of years back where he

968
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:20,230
was he met with the president of Bolivia

969
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:24,330
and the president of Bolivia handed him

970
00:45:31,290 --> 00:45:27,790
what was like a crucifix but it was it

971
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:31,300
was like the the Christ crucified on on

972
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:34,510
a on the communist symbol of the hammer

973
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:37,480
and sickle and you know if you're

974
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:39,070
familiar with the history of the church

975
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,940
it hit the condemned communism for four

976
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:45,280
centuries and now all of a sudden you

977
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:48,670
had this Francis in in the Vatican

978
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:51,010
accepting this as a gift

979
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,740
which was extremely unusual so we're

980
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,500
seeing all kinds of things like this

981
00:46:03,360 --> 00:45:58,000
I'll give you one more example we could

982
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:03,370
probably go on and on but back earlier

983
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:06,760
this year there was the the founder of

984
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,630
La Repubblica

985
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:10,240
which is one of the largest daily

986
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:14,410
newspapers in in Italy and that man is

987
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:17,380
an atheist and he apparently meets with

988
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:21,070
Francis now and then and they had a

989
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:23,890
meeting earlier this year and he came

990
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:25,630
back from that meeting and he claimed

991
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:29,500
that Francis told him he didn't believe

992
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:34,420
in the existence of Hell for Pope to say

993
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:39,430
that is is if and I'm saying if he said

994
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:41,050
this by the way because we don't have

995
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:42,850
the proof one way or another

996
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:45,880
Francis never denied it openly did he

997
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:50,350
said that but if he said it we have a

998
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:54,310
sitting Pope that that appears to be

999
00:46:59,780 --> 00:46:56,650
claiming things that are contrary to the

1000
00:47:02,970 --> 00:46:59,790
belief system of the Catholic faith and

1001
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:02,980
you know that's exactly what the word

1002
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:05,230
apostasy means it's exactly what father

1003
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:07,270
Malachi Martin said that the third

1004
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:09,580
prophecy of Fatima was a vote about the

1005
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:10,840
apostasy in the church

1006
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:13,120
it's exactly what Cardinal Chiaki was

1007
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:15,880
warning about in 1995 when he said the

1008
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:18,430
great apostasy will begin at the top so

1009
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:20,950
these statements we have from these

1010
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:24,970
Vatican insiders they seem to be exactly

1011
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,310
in line now with what we're seeing and

1012
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:29,560
witnessing with our very own eyes today

1013
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:32,590
so these are all very interesting things

1014
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:35,410
that are happening and you know it's as

1015
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:37,870
you say it's this particular Pope that

1016
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:40,680
is very different from other Pope's

1017
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:44,050
right right I used to love listening to

1018
00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:48,070
art Bell and father malachi he was very

1019
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:50,740
interesting he was involved in exorcisms

1020
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:54,310
and all kinds of all kinds of things a

1021
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:56,170
very interesting guy he's passed away

1022
00:48:02,100 --> 00:47:59,470
you know number of years ago but yeah it

1023
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:02,110
was always great listening to him and so

1024
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:04,150
also while we're on this

1025
00:48:10,289 --> 00:48:08,319
epic I'm sure you probably heard that I

1026
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:10,299
believe it was the Pope prior to this

1027
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:12,010
the one that we retired which is

1028
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,190
actually rather unusual too you know for

1029
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:18,640
a pope to retire but I believe he said

1030
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:19,660
that

1031
00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:24,430
it's extraterrestrials are most likely

1032
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,589
out there and we should baptize it or

1033
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:28,240
something like that did you ever hear

1034
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:31,599
any of that yeah you know I have

1035
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:34,660
actually heard about that and it was a

1036
00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:37,510
bit of a departure from like you say

1037
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:41,230
what we're accustomed to hearing I don't

1038
00:48:46,049 --> 00:48:44,680
remember exactly the terms he used it it

1039
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,059
seemed as though I think he was

1040
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:48,720
basically saying that it's worth

1041
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,640
investigating you know whether there's

1042
00:48:58,890 --> 00:48:54,400
other life out there so he did seem to

1043
00:49:00,599 --> 00:48:58,900
open the door on that I think you said

1044
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:00,609
that do we should count them as our

1045
00:49:05,339 --> 00:49:03,880
brothers yeah it may be something like

1046
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:05,349
that I don't remember the exact words

1047
00:49:13,049 --> 00:49:07,510
thanks race I think that was God wasn't

1048
00:49:15,809 --> 00:49:13,059
it but I do remember when that came out

1049
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:15,819
that that he said something about you

1050
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:18,520
know if they are you know a creation of

1051
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:21,220
life from God that we should count them

1052
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:23,410
as our brothers and sisters race were

1053
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,849
you eavesdropping and I also happen to

1054
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:30,400
be Catholic so I see I got all this

1055
00:49:35,309 --> 00:49:32,740
stuff pretty tightly how about that

1056
00:49:38,339 --> 00:49:35,319
well join in anytime you're welcome race

1057
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,349
so well thank you Anna I apologize for

1058
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:40,000
that interruption oh not at all no no

1059
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:43,210
another thing also I think it's

1060
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:45,609
fascinating that they have an incredible

1061
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:48,690
telescope in their own observatory and

1062
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:51,130
you know that that whole part is very

1063
00:49:57,539 --> 00:49:53,190
fascinating to me that they're actually

1064
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:57,549
interested in in looking out there yes

1065
00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:59,859
yeah and they have been for quite a long

1066
00:50:04,799 --> 00:50:01,630
time now

1067
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:04,809
you know I a lot of people don't know

1068
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:07,180
but it from from my understanding and I

1069
00:50:12,059 --> 00:50:08,740
haven't done a lot of research on this

1070
00:50:15,269 --> 00:50:12,069
but I have heard that they they did used

1071
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:15,279
to look to the stars for messages from

1072
00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:16,859
God from like

1073
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:18,779
you know for insight or fer for

1074
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:21,089
understanding and you know it would make

1075
00:50:26,779 --> 00:50:23,609
sense if you think about it because we

1076
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:26,789
always imagined and understood that God

1077
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:29,190
came from the heavens that's that's the

1078
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:32,700
that's the doctrine so where do you look

1079
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:34,200
when you're looking to the heavens you

1080
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:38,099
look up you look up into the sky and you

1081
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:40,049
know there has been a fascination with

1082
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:44,579
the Stars and within the church for many

1083
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:47,640
years and and astrologers used to study

1084
00:50:54,229 --> 00:50:50,430
the Stars and look for for insights that

1085
00:50:57,259 --> 00:50:54,239
way so you know it's not a new thing now

1086
00:50:59,299 --> 00:50:57,269
I think their understanding of what they

1087
00:51:02,539 --> 00:50:59,309
can understand from the Stars probably

1088
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:02,549
evolved over time but but that isn't

1089
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,210
anything new

1090
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:04,859
and I'm sure that the interest is still

1091
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:07,380
there obviously from the comments from

1092
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:11,569
benedict xvi i had tried to reach out to

1093
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:16,319
one of the one of the astronomer priests

1094
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:18,930
at the observatory i think it's in do i

1095
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:20,220
want to say it's in the united states

1096
00:51:25,999 --> 00:51:22,589
right is it that they do have one in the

1097
00:51:28,999 --> 00:51:26,009
united states somewhere i believe maybe

1098
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:29,009
maybe i got that wrong but yeah i i

1099
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:31,349
don't know i couldn't confirm that yeah

1100
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:35,670
but they're supposed to have really

1101
00:51:43,249 --> 00:51:39,150
amazing equipment and of course you know

1102
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:43,259
as as you know the vatican is extremely

1103
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:45,569
wealthy i mean there are people out

1104
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:47,190
there that said if they just sold their

1105
00:51:53,269 --> 00:51:49,380
art alone you know they have nickel

1106
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:53,279
angelo you name it if they sold their

1107
00:51:58,220 --> 00:51:55,170
art alone they could feed the hungry and

1108
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:58,230
the entire world for i think i forget

1109
00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:00,180
how many years it is but you know

1110
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:01,829
they're incredibly rich in real estate

1111
00:52:09,769 --> 00:52:05,700
and and an art it's amazing and also

1112
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:09,779
historical documents yeah yeah that's

1113
00:52:18,499 --> 00:52:14,609
right their museums are worth i guess

1114
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:18,509
you could say countless countless

1115
00:52:22,999 --> 00:52:21,150
millions if not billions i know that

1116
00:52:25,789 --> 00:52:23,009
they they certainly have an enormous

1117
00:52:28,099 --> 00:52:25,799
wealth they a lot of that wealth came

1118
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:28,109
from they used to own a lot of land in

1119
00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:30,360
italy the vatican and the church

1120
00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:35,600
and what happened at one time when the

1121
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:40,080
when Italy was still forming the Vatican

1122
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:42,450
gave up a lot of those lands in in

1123
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:46,320
exchange for payment from from the

1124
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:47,850
Italian government from what I

1125
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:50,760
understand and it was at that time that

1126
00:52:59,050 --> 00:52:55,710
they that that they ended up with where

1127
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,060
they are now which is Vatican City and

1128
00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:03,000
so you know they used to have a wealth

1129
00:53:08,810 --> 00:53:06,360
in terms of land and when they gave up

1130
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:08,820
those lands they converted it into a

1131
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:13,370
wealth in in like a financial wealth but

1132
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:16,440
they certainly do have an incredible

1133
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:18,810
wealth there's no question I have a

1134
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:21,480
friend that was making a documentary

1135
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:24,780
Roger Nygaard he's actually been on the

1136
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:27,720
show he's a skeptic awhile quite a while

1137
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:32,130
ago but he went to the Vatican and spoke

1138
00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:33,780
to a bishop trying to get an interview

1139
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:37,190
with the Pope and the bishop said to him

1140
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,460
well anybody can uh you know talk to the

1141
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:43,980
Pope all you have to do is you know

1142
00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:50,570
donate $20,000 for say 10 or 15 minutes

1143
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:53,900
basically asking for a donation of

1144
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:56,700
$20,000 just for a few minutes to speak

1145
00:54:03,770 --> 00:53:59,730
with the Pope so I guess that's a that's

1146
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:03,780
a good fun drive yeah sure I guess we

1147
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:05,730
see that in politics as well a lot of

1148
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:07,380
people who want to fundraisers to see

1149
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:11,760
Obama speak oh yeah you know so it's it

1150
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:15,570
seems like it's a it's a thin line yeah

1151
00:54:23,180 --> 00:54:20,010
now I mean he won't he won't exclude

1152
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:23,190
people who I mean obviously if you

1153
00:54:27,020 --> 00:54:25,050
really need to speak with the Pope it's

1154
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,030
maybe it might be one way you could do

1155
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:29,700
it but he certainly does speak to people

1156
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:32,730
without payment as well oh I'm sure I'm

1157
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:33,150
sure

1158
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:35,130
so I'm just letting you know the lines

1159
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:37,770
are open if anyone wants to call in that

1160
00:54:41,810 --> 00:54:39,810
number is up on the screen on youtube if

1161
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:41,820
you're over at kgr a radio and you want

1162
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:43,730
to call in that phone number six

1163
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:47,510
three nine six seven four o3o if you

1164
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:49,190
have a question for our guests give us a

1165
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:52,850
call so I wanna I just want to skip back

1166
00:55:02,050 --> 00:54:58,010
just one more time on on Fatima do you

1167
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:02,060
think there's has anyone attempted to

1168
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:04,730
come up with a conclusion about what it

1169
00:55:10,990 --> 00:55:08,300
really was you know I mean yeah just

1170
00:55:15,609 --> 00:55:11,000
think it's completely like one of the

1171
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:15,619
miracles or whatever and that's it oh I

1172
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:18,050
can my confusion you mean they're an

1173
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:21,170
alternate explanation either yeah I mean

1174
00:55:25,090 --> 00:55:23,030
it's it was such a weird thing that

1175
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:25,100
happened we have a call coming in such a

1176
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:26,630
strange thing that happened why don't we

1177
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:28,010
hold that thought and get back to it

1178
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:30,020
sure okay

1179
00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:32,660
caller you're on the line your first

1180
00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:35,900
name and where you're calling from hey

1181
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:39,800
Martin Richmond Virginia hi there what's

1182
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:41,030
the first name again I couldn't quite

1183
00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:45,650
hear it Todd oh my Toby yeah hi how are

1184
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:47,980
you doing welcome to the show all right

1185
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:53,119
thanks a long time so I got a question

1186
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,680
for your guest as he ever heard of read

1187
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,280
the book XO katakana by Thomas Putnam

1188
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:04,880
and Chris Hoy are you able to hear it

1189
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:06,530
clearly it's a little little bad

1190
00:56:13,150 --> 00:56:09,350
connection there yeah yeah no I can hear

1191
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:13,160
okay called XO vaticano he's talking

1192
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:21,250
yeah no I can't hear I can't say I've

1193
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:24,710
read that book yeah it's really it's

1194
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:26,780
like an encyclopedia they also wrote

1195
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:29,930
another book called petrel Romanov

1196
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:32,690
supposedly about the last place but the

1197
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:35,630
extra body contact deals with the UFO

1198
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:38,960
subjects and basically like Ruby or

1199
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:40,460
someone that the Vatican has an

1200
00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:41,420
observatory

1201
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:45,260
thank you Saints in Arizona where they

1202
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,650
ever tell us to and ironically it's

1203
00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:51,680
called Project Lucifer that's the

1204
00:56:57,609 --> 00:56:56,270
acronym for the for the telescope and

1205
00:57:00,099 --> 00:56:57,619
they a priest

1206
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:00,109
that a lot of the sightings of UFOs

1207
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:10,690
project Lucifer which you know is

1208
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:12,740
obviously a very sort of strange name

1209
00:57:17,529 --> 00:57:15,220
for a project like that it's it's almost

1210
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:17,539
seems to suggest that they're seeking

1211
00:57:23,529 --> 00:57:20,380
for loose they're looking for Lucifer

1212
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:23,539
which kind of goes against you know

1213
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:27,680
their their value system in the Catholic

1214
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:29,150
faith they're looking for God they're

1215
00:57:36,609 --> 00:57:31,970
looking for for God's Son Jesus Christ

1216
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:36,619
so it is an odd thing and it kind of

1217
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:38,809
gives you a sense though of where things

1218
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:41,390
have gone and it should be a bit of a

1219
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:44,390
wake-up call for people I think to you

1220
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:46,990
know to hear about these sort of things

1221
00:57:56,829 --> 00:57:53,690
yeah I'm sure like the a sort of the

1222
00:57:59,019 --> 00:57:56,839
Collinses Nicorette bring these wrote

1223
00:58:01,150 --> 00:57:59,029
about it some but they're also mentioned

1224
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,160
in that book they were involved with it

1225
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:02,960
as well I'm not sure what the Lucifer

1226
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:07,609
acronym I can stand for it you know but

1227
00:58:13,269 --> 00:58:11,630
yeah fiction reading it's a really long

1228
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:13,279
but it's like an encyclopedia but it

1229
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,569
lots of footnotes and lots of damn web

1230
00:58:23,049 --> 00:58:20,079
pages you can go to it has like videos

1231
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:23,059
you know supporting aliens from space

1232
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:25,960
they are demonic entities versus them

1233
00:58:32,589 --> 00:58:29,660
understand both and I've interesting

1234
00:58:37,089 --> 00:58:32,599
because it seems to have sort of a mix

1235
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:37,099
of science and and spiritual the the

1236
00:58:44,170 --> 00:58:39,950
whole idea of UFOs I would say sort of

1237
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:44,180
more of a scientific quest whereas when

1238
00:58:48,579 --> 00:58:45,950
you talk about the demonic you're

1239
00:58:51,279 --> 00:58:48,589
referring more to something spiritual so

1240
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,289
it seems like it's it's exploring both

1241
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:53,839
of these these realms if you want to

1242
00:58:59,319 --> 00:58:57,170
call them that where I got exactly I

1243
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,329
just found that interesting up more than

1244
00:59:04,359 --> 00:59:02,480
nuts and bolts out of a bad book I had a

1245
00:59:07,539 --> 00:59:04,369
friend of mine carry on so it's a really

1246
00:59:10,989 --> 00:59:07,549
really good book if anybody wants it's a

1247
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:10,999
good a chance to read a different take

1248
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:11,450
on it

1249
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:17,000
like we all who knows yeah it's it's a

1250
00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:19,849
part of I guess the writers search for

1251
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:23,420
answers investigating and trying to

1252
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:26,809
learn what he can hey thanks for the

1253
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:29,569
comment all right Thank You button great

1254
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:30,890
job all right

1255
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:33,260
thanks a lot so the line is open if

1256
00:59:38,829 --> 00:59:36,530
anyone else wants to bring us and talk

1257
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:38,839
to our guests ask a question the number

1258
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:42,680
is up on the screen 603 967 403 Oh

1259
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:44,690
please keep in mind if you're watching

1260
00:59:48,609 --> 00:59:46,910
the show and it's not life that numbers

1261
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:48,619
not working it's only working during the

1262
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:54,980
show so I I have heard also what he's

1263
01:00:00,010 --> 00:59:57,890
talking about of the Lucifer and that

1264
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,020
that whole thing I believe it was

1265
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:02,240
probably on coast to coast or something

1266
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:04,190
I'm not really sure where I heard that

1267
01:00:09,789 --> 01:00:06,950
but but it's still interesting and

1268
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:09,799
there's you know just for the Catholic

1269
01:00:16,329 --> 01:00:12,770
Church to admit that extraterrestrial

1270
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:16,339
life as possible as that's a big change

1271
01:00:22,329 --> 01:00:18,470
and you know a lot of people have said

1272
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:22,339
in the UFO field that there could be

1273
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:24,980
collapses of religions and things like

1274
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:28,880
that society parts of society if we

1275
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:31,369
actually find intelligent life is out

1276
01:00:37,059 --> 01:00:34,730
there and it's you know actually I'm not

1277
01:00:38,859 --> 01:00:37,069
saying just UFO but actually saw

1278
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:38,869
intelligent life and there was proof of

1279
01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:40,910
that that everything would collapse and

1280
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,400
I think it's almost like the Catholic

1281
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Church is preparing for that to happen

1282
01:00:50,530 --> 01:00:48,770
because we are certainly knocking on the

1283
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:50,540
door of the possibility of that

1284
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:53,960
happening yeah well I mean one thing I

1285
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:56,089
think we have to admit is that there is

1286
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,720
a lot we don't know and you know our our

1287
01:01:05,620 --> 01:01:01,520
knowledge of our world in our universe

1288
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:05,630
it evolves over time and you know I

1289
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:07,430
think that this is all part of our

1290
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:09,640
learning about our environment and

1291
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:12,770
there's obviously you know it makes

1292
01:01:21,609 --> 01:01:18,559
sense for us to have a curiosity about

1293
01:01:24,529 --> 01:01:21,619
what's going on I mean the universe is

1294
01:01:27,709 --> 01:01:24,539
just so vast you

1295
01:01:30,919 --> 01:01:27,719
impossible for us to ever know about all

1296
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:30,929
of it but it makes for a very

1297
01:01:36,859 --> 01:01:34,049
interesting you know thing to explore

1298
01:01:39,799 --> 01:01:36,869
and to try to understand there's planets

1299
01:01:42,529 --> 01:01:39,809
and universes that are beyond our

1300
01:01:44,989 --> 01:01:42,539
imagination and the only way that we can

1301
01:01:48,859 --> 01:01:44,999
learn about them is you know too evil

1302
01:01:52,939 --> 01:01:48,869
either either use the equipment we have

1303
01:01:56,269 --> 01:01:52,949
now send the probes and satellites or

1304
01:01:58,819 --> 01:01:56,279
travel there ourselves right right we

1305
01:02:00,159 --> 01:01:58,829
have another call caller your first name

1306
01:02:03,169 --> 01:02:00,169
where you're calling from

1307
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:03,179
hi Martin this is Andy from Stratford

1308
01:02:11,179 --> 01:02:06,329
Connecticut oh hi Andy how are you good

1309
01:02:13,999 --> 01:02:11,189
new great great good question I I do I

1310
01:02:16,579 --> 01:02:14,009
have to say I missed much of the first

1311
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:16,589
half of the show I had another

1312
01:02:24,729 --> 01:02:19,859
commitment but uh I have to ask your

1313
01:02:27,979 --> 01:02:24,739
guest Paul what his thoughts are on the

1314
01:02:29,959 --> 01:02:27,989
idea that you know we're not alone and

1315
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:29,969
that there certainly is other

1316
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:32,609
intelligent life out there for myself as

1317
01:02:38,479 --> 01:02:35,130
a lifelong Catholic with a with a heavy

1318
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:38,489
Catholic education and a father who was

1319
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:40,140
in the seminary and a grandfather who

1320
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:43,559
nearly became a Jesuit I know that it

1321
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:45,689
only for myself it only adds to the

1322
01:02:52,339 --> 01:02:48,119
richness of the universe and what God

1323
01:02:56,209 --> 01:02:52,349
may is capable of the thought that or

1324
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:56,219
the concept that we're not alone and I

1325
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:58,140
think it's it's silly to think that

1326
01:03:02,989 --> 01:03:01,380
anything is impossible and I'll take

1327
01:03:05,419 --> 01:03:02,999
your call off the air I'll let you guys

1328
01:03:07,339 --> 01:03:05,429
go all right Andy thanks thank you all

1329
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:07,349
right thank you good job thank you okay

1330
01:03:15,769 --> 01:03:12,630
like thanks Andy um you know I don't

1331
01:03:17,299 --> 01:03:15,779
this is a theological question and I

1332
01:03:20,059 --> 01:03:17,309
don't know that I could say I'm I'm

1333
01:03:21,919 --> 01:03:20,069
qualified to answer this but I can

1334
01:03:24,529 --> 01:03:21,929
certainly give you my own thoughts on it

1335
01:03:25,909 --> 01:03:24,539
and and I it I would premise this by

1336
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:25,919
saying you know please don't take this

1337
01:03:31,729 --> 01:03:29,369
as theological advice you know I've

1338
01:03:34,969 --> 01:03:31,739
always felt that there there can be life

1339
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:34,979
out there and it's a it's as Andy

1340
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:37,799
explained you know

1341
01:03:45,259 --> 01:03:40,170
there there is a richness to God's

1342
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:45,269
creation throughout the universe who are

1343
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:48,119
we you know how can we say that we're

1344
01:03:53,269 --> 01:03:51,089
the only ones necessarily we may be but

1345
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:53,279
it doesn't seem to be a stretch of the

1346
01:03:59,769 --> 01:03:55,859
imagination to think that we there may

1347
01:04:03,799 --> 01:03:59,779
be other life out there and if there is

1348
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:03,809
it doesn't disqualify our understanding

1349
01:04:11,059 --> 01:04:06,049
of the existence of God and God's laws

1350
01:04:13,969 --> 01:04:11,069
so I think that the two can coexist but

1351
01:04:16,579 --> 01:04:13,979
like I say I'm not qualified from the

1352
01:04:19,059 --> 01:04:16,589
theological standpoint I do think that

1353
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:19,069
it it always has been intriguing to me

1354
01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:22,400
this whole world of UFOs and UFO

1355
01:04:28,609 --> 01:04:25,559
sightings something seems to be going on

1356
01:04:30,289 --> 01:04:28,619
and it seems as though there are things

1357
01:04:31,939 --> 01:04:30,299
being concealed by us that have sort of

1358
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:31,949
leaked leaked out that we're aware of

1359
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:35,400
now and and I I do think that it's an

1360
01:04:40,489 --> 01:04:37,130
interesting thing to explore for sure

1361
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:40,499
now if you took basically what you just

1362
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:43,849
said there are gonna go and and you took

1363
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:47,609
God out of the picture just for you know

1364
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,900
some of the people out there that are

1365
01:04:55,479 --> 01:04:51,420
agnostic or atheist or whatever some of

1366
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:55,489
the listeners do you still think that

1367
01:05:02,569 --> 01:04:58,890
life could intelligent life could be out

1368
01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:02,579
there if there wasn't part of say a God

1369
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,209
creation yeah from us from a like a

1370
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:09,599
purely secular standpoint you you know

1371
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:11,849
it's interesting some of the stories

1372
01:05:20,449 --> 01:05:16,170
that we've seen you know area 54 is is

1373
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:20,459
very interesting 51 Oh 51 yeah

1374
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:23,579
area club one yeah yeah close I knew was

1375
01:05:30,589 --> 01:05:28,249
in the 50s there somewhere you know the

1376
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,599
stories and testimonies we've heard from

1377
01:05:36,259 --> 01:05:33,119
people the farmer who you know found

1378
01:05:40,189 --> 01:05:36,269
these strange pieces of a UFO crash

1379
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:40,199
sighting on his farm land and and the

1380
01:05:45,620 --> 01:05:42,900
way it was dealt with you know there's a

1381
01:05:50,419 --> 01:05:45,630
lot of things going on there that are

1382
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:50,429
difficult to explain and you know I I do

1383
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:51,510
think that they sort

1384
01:05:57,350 --> 01:05:55,050
open up the door to you know something

1385
01:06:01,310 --> 01:05:57,360
worth looking into something's going on

1386
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:01,320
and we have to ask ourselves well why is

1387
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:03,870
this being concealed from us and what is

1388
01:06:08,060 --> 01:06:06,180
being concealed certainly there's

1389
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:08,070
there's there's a truth in there

1390
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:12,810
somewhere and I I do think that you know

1391
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:16,170
like I was saying earlier to this this

1392
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:18,570
idea that extra its extraterrestrial

1393
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:21,750
life exists out there in such a vast

1394
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:24,210
universe doesn't seem to be a stretch of

1395
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:28,770
the imagination right you know going

1396
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:33,200
back once again going back to Fatima and

1397
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:37,800
from what I understand somehow you know

1398
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:41,760
seventy thousand people showed up and it

1399
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:44,280
was do I have this right that it was at

1400
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:46,680
the time a very remote and hard to get

1401
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:49,890
to place yeah I don't know if I would

1402
01:06:57,070 --> 01:06:52,320
say hard to get to but remote for sure

1403
01:07:00,980 --> 01:06:57,080
it was in the hills in the past years of

1404
01:07:03,250 --> 01:07:00,990
Fatima Portugal and the children

1405
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:03,260
themselves lived in a very small olá

1406
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,670
they don't even call it a village it's

1407
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:08,640
like a little hamlet of a few you know I

1408
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,420
guess very few residents and this field

1409
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:14,160
that they went to was even outside of

1410
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:17,490
that little hamlet so it was a remote

1411
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:20,790
area and it was in the hills of the

1412
01:07:27,110 --> 01:07:23,550
phantom of a region for sure yeah it's

1413
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,120
removed if you go back in time into 1917

1414
01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:30,480
and you think about what they had for

1415
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:34,830
media basically newspaper to me I think

1416
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:37,850
it's fascinating that enough people that

1417
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:41,910
many people from around the world would

1418
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:45,660
do that and travelling was not easy back

1419
01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:49,470
in 1917 to think about all those people

1420
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:52,350
that showed up and showing up not

1421
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:53,700
knowing if they're going to have any

1422
01:08:01,370 --> 01:07:57,890
food or anything just plain showing up

1423
01:08:04,340 --> 01:08:01,380
and so I think that that part of this

1424
01:08:05,740 --> 01:08:04,350
story is alone is incredible because

1425
01:08:08,590 --> 01:08:05,750
obviously the

1426
01:08:12,550 --> 01:08:08,600
word got out about these children and

1427
01:08:15,999 --> 01:08:12,560
how how did it get out and the way it

1428
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,009
did get out if you know you said earlier

1429
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:17,839
we were talking about that they weren't

1430
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,140
believed at first so what made people

1431
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:24,319
take them serious enough to make that

1432
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:27,500
trip and travel well I would say a

1433
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:31,000
couple of things number one and their

1434
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:34,089
curiosity you know if if you were told

1435
01:08:39,999 --> 01:08:38,210
you know just maybe thirty miles away

1436
01:08:42,099 --> 01:08:40,009
from your home that these apparitions

1437
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:42,109
were taking place you know your

1438
01:08:46,210 --> 01:08:43,880
curiosity would get the best of you and

1439
01:08:47,980 --> 01:08:46,220
you would you would feel that you know

1440
01:08:51,309 --> 01:08:47,990
maybe I should check this out

1441
01:08:52,900 --> 01:08:51,319
I remember for reading I've read a lot

1442
01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:52,910
of material on this and I remembered one

1443
01:08:59,980 --> 01:08:55,180
of the first women who came out and and

1444
01:09:05,140 --> 01:08:59,990
was curious about what was going on she

1445
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,150
she spoke I remembered there was some

1446
01:09:11,050 --> 01:09:07,759
reading a text about her conversation

1447
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:11,060
with her husband and she she her husband

1448
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:13,640
asked her where are you going and she

1449
01:09:18,460 --> 01:09:15,290
said well I'm going out to the field to

1450
01:09:20,289 --> 01:09:18,470
see what's going on and he actually

1451
01:09:22,269 --> 01:09:20,299
laughed at her he said you don't

1452
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:22,279
actually believe that the Blessed Virgin

1453
01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:24,049
is appearing to these children do you

1454
01:09:29,530 --> 01:09:26,450
and her response was very interesting

1455
01:09:31,809 --> 01:09:29,540
she said well she said you know I don't

1456
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:31,819
know if I believe it but she said if

1457
01:09:35,740 --> 01:09:33,350
somebody told me that the king was

1458
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:35,750
coming I would go out to see what was

1459
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:39,650
going on so it's the same with this I'm

1460
01:09:43,630 --> 01:09:41,810
being told these apparitions are taking

1461
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:43,640
place I'm gonna go check it out and see

1462
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:45,730
what's going on so I think it's that

1463
01:09:51,130 --> 01:09:49,100
curiosity that sort of drove the country

1464
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:51,140
did too to want to come out and see this

1465
01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:53,210
the second thing I was going to mention

1466
01:09:59,170 --> 01:09:56,840
is that with the media the newspapers

1467
01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:59,180
were reporting on this and there were

1468
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:01,190
major daily newspapers that were also

1469
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:04,700
reporting on it one of the I think a

1470
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:06,170
couple of the publications were based

1471
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:08,210
out of Lisbon which was which is the

1472
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:10,430
capital of Portugal I believe it's the

1473
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:14,510
capital of Portugal and but it's a major

1474
01:10:19,330 --> 01:10:18,770
city in Portugal and so when you have

1475
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,340
major

1476
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:21,679
newspapers and small local papers all

1477
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:23,570
reporting about what's going on and

1478
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:25,460
everybody's talking about it

1479
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,290
that would drive people as well to come

1480
01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:30,080
out especially when you have it

1481
01:10:34,209 --> 01:10:32,540
reporting that a miracle is coming there

1482
01:10:36,879 --> 01:10:34,219
is going to be a miracle on a specific

1483
01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:36,889
day at a specific time how can you

1484
01:10:41,979 --> 01:10:39,980
resist that and I find it's very

1485
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:41,989
interesting you you're right when you're

1486
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:43,070
referring to

1487
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:47,590
you know we forget in today's in today's

1488
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:52,760
terms we forget how how lucky we have

1489
01:10:57,490 --> 01:10:54,969
things you know we forget that we have

1490
01:11:00,430 --> 01:10:57,500
the luxury of being able to jump into a

1491
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,440
car or jump into a plane you know we can

1492
01:11:07,870 --> 01:11:02,719
fly around the world inside of a day or

1493
01:11:09,310 --> 01:11:07,880
two and you know with technology I can

1494
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:09,320
send a message to somebody on the other

1495
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:12,409
side of the world within seconds so you

1496
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:15,080
know it's it's it's very interesting

1497
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:18,710
that you mentioned back then those

1498
01:11:22,839 --> 01:11:21,170
technologies didn't exist and you're

1499
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:22,849
absolutely right you know for the most

1500
01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:26,210
part cars were they existed but not most

1501
01:11:30,850 --> 01:11:28,790
people didn't have them all right some

1502
01:11:33,089 --> 01:11:30,860
people had to travel for two days to

1503
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:33,099
come out to see what was going to happen

1504
01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:35,449
and and you hear about this in the

1505
01:11:42,370 --> 01:11:37,580
testimonies people traveling for two

1506
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,380
days by foot or by oxcart and you know

1507
01:11:48,189 --> 01:11:43,840
it goes to show you how strong that

1508
01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:48,199
curiosity was or or how strong people's

1509
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:49,880
faith was that they wanted to see what

1510
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:53,150
was going to happen so you know the

1511
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:54,650
whole country I think at the time knew

1512
01:12:00,030 --> 01:11:56,690
something was going to happen and they

1513
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:00,040
were all very interested in seeing what

1514
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:03,920
so now you talked about this appearing

1515
01:12:10,180 --> 01:12:06,710
on the 13th of the month which is also

1516
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:10,190
another bizarre thing because you know I

1517
01:12:16,689 --> 01:12:13,670
mean just to be able to show up every

1518
01:12:21,729 --> 01:12:16,699
month on the 13th and did things

1519
01:12:23,649 --> 01:12:21,739
continue after the October date you know

1520
01:12:25,629 --> 01:12:23,659
like later on did it skip a month or was

1521
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:25,639
it just playing gone and never came back

1522
01:12:32,710 --> 01:12:29,540
whatever it was whatever it was that was

1523
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:32,720
the end of it in that place

1524
01:12:39,670 --> 01:12:36,170
with these apparitions so it literally

1525
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:39,680
occurred from May 13 to actual were 13

1526
01:12:47,340 --> 01:12:44,030
now Lucia who lived many years beyond

1527
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:47,350
that she started speaking about other

1528
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:50,000
directions she ended up becoming a nun

1529
01:12:56,890 --> 01:12:54,320
and she spoke about apparitions that she

1530
01:13:00,010 --> 01:12:56,900
witnessed while she was in the convent

1531
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:00,020
and so there was something that did

1532
01:13:08,110 --> 01:13:03,260
continue with her but these didn't occur

1533
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:08,120
in Fatima per se now I know I have seen

1534
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:11,150
an image online I think anybody could

1535
01:13:16,990 --> 01:13:13,910
look it up but where it does look like

1536
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:17,000
some type of object in the sky

1537
01:13:22,180 --> 01:13:20,690
you know 19th from 1917 are you familiar

1538
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:22,190
with that image it almost looks like a

1539
01:13:28,420 --> 01:13:25,900
figure in this guy or something Oh

1540
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:28,430
figure I don't know if it's the same

1541
01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:30,410
image I'm thinking of I know there was

1542
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:34,790
something circulating about the miracle

1543
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:36,170
of the Sun is that the one you're

1544
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:39,050
referring to yes but there it almost

1545
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,550
looks like there's some type of object

1546
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:42,560
in the sky there's definitely something

1547
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:46,070
there yeah they're there see I if I'm

1548
01:13:51,250 --> 01:13:47,780
remembering correctly yeah it looks like

1549
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:51,260
an old photo there's I'm trying to think

1550
01:13:55,930 --> 01:13:54,290
of how to describe it I think I I think

1551
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:55,940
I know what the image you're referring

1552
01:14:00,760 --> 01:13:58,880
to and the whoever's have been

1553
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:00,770
circulating that image is claiming that

1554
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:03,260
this was an image of that was taken

1555
01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:06,110
during the miracle of the Sun and I I

1556
01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:08,060
did some research on that image and from

1557
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:10,550
what I've learned it's not an authentic

1558
01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:13,760
image it's if I'm remembering correctly

1559
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:16,100
it says on the bottom that it was

1560
01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:17,800
released by the Vatican or something

1561
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:19,100
okay

1562
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:22,490
I just pulled that up on my own on my

1563
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:27,560
own here on under Google Images but I

1564
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:31,360
don't want to take you know Showtime -

1565
01:14:39,010 --> 01:14:36,080
it doesn't really say oh yes it says

1566
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:39,020
something about an observatory in Rome

1567
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:44,000
oh oh man oh yes that's right yes that's

1568
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:46,610
that's the the official public

1569
01:14:51,490 --> 01:14:48,110
of the Vatican it's their official

1570
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:51,500
newspaper so it's claimed that that

1571
01:14:59,500 --> 01:14:54,320
image was published by L'Osservatore

1572
01:15:03,130 --> 01:14:59,510
Romano but from my research I understand

1573
01:15:07,540 --> 01:15:03,140
that that's not an authentic image it's

1574
01:15:10,420 --> 01:15:07,550
a it's not it's not a it's not a photo

1575
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:10,430
taken during this miracle now where

1576
01:15:14,890 --> 01:15:13,070
they're photos taking during that it

1577
01:15:17,860 --> 01:15:14,900
seems with 70,000 people that be

1578
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:17,870
photographers there yeah and there were

1579
01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:19,730
there are many photographers there and

1580
01:15:24,190 --> 01:15:22,040
we know that because if you do a search

1581
01:15:28,780 --> 01:15:24,200
on this you'll see the crowds that were

1582
01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:28,790
in the field why there are no photos of

1583
01:15:35,050 --> 01:15:32,740
the actual son miracle you know as I

1584
01:15:37,330 --> 01:15:35,060
haven't been able to find an answer for

1585
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:37,340
that but I have a couple of theories on

1586
01:15:45,850 --> 01:15:43,090
that number one it's quite possible that

1587
01:15:48,670 --> 01:15:45,860
photographers were so in awe when they

1588
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:48,680
were seeing this miracle or maybe in

1589
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,260
fear that it didn't occur to them to

1590
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,080
take a photo of that you know when you

1591
01:15:59,170 --> 01:15:55,520
can imagine something that's spectacular

1592
01:16:02,020 --> 01:15:59,180
happening you're kind of not focused on

1593
01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:02,030
what's you know on what you're doing or

1594
01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:04,040
your function there your job to take

1595
01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:06,380
photos you you're maybe just staring in

1596
01:16:11,310 --> 01:16:09,260
awe at something so that's one theory

1597
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,320
the other theory I have on it is that

1598
01:16:16,210 --> 01:16:13,520
it's quite possible that there were

1599
01:16:18,190 --> 01:16:16,220
photos taken of it but if you can

1600
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,200
imagine you know I I don't know if

1601
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:19,760
you've ever tried taking a photo of the

1602
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:22,310
Sun but you'd probably have a washed out

1603
01:16:27,130 --> 01:16:25,250
image especially back then with the

1604
01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:27,140
cameras they had they were primitive

1605
01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:29,720
cameras they were like it was the sort

1606
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,620
of the earliest ages of the the age of

1607
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:35,840
photography right the cameras that had

1608
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:37,910
back then were were not as sophisticated

1609
01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:40,430
obviously as they are now it's quite

1610
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:42,920
possible they took photos of the miracle

1611
01:16:48,010 --> 01:16:44,930
and that none of these photos was

1612
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,020
actually just developed properly because

1613
01:16:51,610 --> 01:16:50,000
I would imagine they might have been

1614
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:51,620
completely washed out they would have

1615
01:16:56,770 --> 01:16:53,930
been just big white images you know

1616
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,780
white frames so that's my other theory

1617
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:59,360
on it it does seem odd that there

1618
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,880
wouldn't be any

1619
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:01,860
photos of it but I think those two

1620
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:04,409
series are plausible explanations for

1621
01:17:08,899 --> 01:17:06,900
why the actual miracle wasn't

1622
01:17:10,669 --> 01:17:08,909
photographed but certainly in the crowds

1623
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,679
were photographed and you can see that

1624
01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:12,719
the photos there's there's a number of

1625
01:17:18,649 --> 01:17:15,239
photos of the crowds do you happen to

1626
01:17:22,459 --> 01:17:18,659
know if if anyone looked at this

1627
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:22,469
situation in a science way you know

1628
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:26,130
scientifically yes yeah there are there

1629
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:29,370
are some scientific theories on it one

1630
01:17:36,919 --> 01:17:32,340
of them is that that this miracle was

1631
01:17:39,470 --> 01:17:36,929
like a mass hallucination so they they

1632
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:39,480
like if you think about it the the

1633
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:41,940
anticipation of the miracle the fact

1634
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:45,650
that it was published in many newspapers

1635
01:17:52,180 --> 01:17:48,330
this idea that many people are coming

1636
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:52,190
out with the same expectation so this

1637
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:55,380
the thought behind this all is that they

1638
01:18:01,729 --> 01:17:59,580
all were anticipating something so much

1639
01:18:04,580 --> 01:18:01,739
that they all had this mass

1640
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:04,590
hallucination together so that's one

1641
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:08,730
theory that has come out I think for me

1642
01:18:14,979 --> 01:18:11,130
one of the things that seems to debunk

1643
01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:14,989
that is that there were reports from

1644
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,460
people who weren't there in the field

1645
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:20,159
people in the nearby village where Lucia

1646
01:18:26,629 --> 01:18:22,770
was from who also claimed that they

1647
01:18:28,510 --> 01:18:26,639
witnessed the same thing and you know

1648
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:28,520
for them to have not been a part of this

1649
01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:31,560
this and to still have witnessed it

1650
01:18:35,899 --> 01:18:33,870
tells me that you know maybe it wasn't a

1651
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:35,909
mass hallucination there were also

1652
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:40,199
reports that Pope Pius the 12th saw a

1653
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:43,380
very similar miracle when he was in the

1654
01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:48,300
Vatican gardens in the nineteen blues in

1655
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:54,030
the 1950s and he saw it I think on three

1656
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:55,650
different occasions within about an

1657
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,860
eight-day period so the way he describes

1658
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:00,840
it apparently is very similar to the

1659
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:02,730
apparitions that were witnessed by these

1660
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:05,940
people so again it makes you wonder you

1661
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:08,699
know what's what's going on there and

1662
01:19:13,589 --> 01:19:11,340
there is a theological connection with

1663
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:13,599
all of that so

1664
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:17,290
the idea of mask illumination for me

1665
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:20,590
anyway it doesn't hold water yeah I've

1666
01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:22,329
never really understood how a mass

1667
01:19:27,229 --> 01:19:24,940
hallucination could actually work I mean

1668
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:27,239
I can understand anticipation

1669
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:29,560
anticipation for something to happen and

1670
01:19:34,859 --> 01:19:31,449
I have heard you know of situations

1671
01:19:37,470 --> 01:19:34,869
where people are are actually like sky

1672
01:19:39,810 --> 01:19:37,480
watching for UFOs and everyone's like

1673
01:19:42,589 --> 01:19:39,820
you know whatever it is they're so

1674
01:19:45,689 --> 01:19:42,599
excited they're gonna see something and

1675
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,699
so maybe it's a satellite going over and

1676
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:48,400
or whatever it is but they play out I

1677
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:50,440
wouldn't exactly call that a mass

1678
01:19:56,850 --> 01:19:52,449
hallucination but I would say that

1679
01:19:59,339 --> 01:19:56,860
because there were other people excited

1680
01:20:01,500 --> 01:19:59,349
about seeing something that they may you

1681
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:01,510
know get carried away but they're not

1682
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:04,329
saying like a whole object on its own

1683
01:20:11,129 --> 01:20:06,090
they're seeing things that look like

1684
01:20:13,530 --> 01:20:11,139
they may be something you know sort of

1685
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:13,540
experiments as well you can ask 10

1686
01:20:18,990 --> 01:20:15,489
people to go out and look for UFOs and

1687
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:19,000
you know the chances are you know 3 or 4

1688
01:20:22,140 --> 01:20:20,260
or half of them might I don't know

1689
01:20:23,459 --> 01:20:22,150
remember what the statistic is but a

1690
01:20:25,020 --> 01:20:23,469
number of them will come back and

1691
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:25,030
they'll claim that they saw something

1692
01:20:32,129 --> 01:20:29,409
and you know it it might be something

1693
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:32,139
authentic it might not be but there is a

1694
01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:34,360
there is something to this idea that you

1695
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:36,340
know you're you're looking so hard for

1696
01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:38,260
something that you can convince yourself

1697
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:41,380
you've seen something and you know I

1698
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,030
don't want to discredit those who have

1699
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:46,000
seen things III III I think that there's

1700
01:20:51,839 --> 01:20:48,070
there's like I mentioned earlier there's

1701
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:51,849
a lot we don't know about but you know

1702
01:20:58,410 --> 01:20:54,329
certainly there have been reports that

1703
01:21:00,180 --> 01:20:58,420
were not authentic as well right right I

1704
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:00,190
think we just had a caller join us

1705
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:01,570
caller your first name where you calling

1706
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:05,880
from yeah this is Sam from Chicago Oh

1707
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:09,550
Sam is it the Sam the one and only Sam

1708
01:21:16,649 --> 01:21:13,000
d-damn you bet you our Heights Amaranto

1709
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:16,659
Sam moranto is a friend of mine and he's

1710
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:20,290
also a UFO researcher and he actually

1711
01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:22,920
you did some work on Fatima right Sam

1712
01:21:29,459 --> 01:21:27,460
yes yeah having a having a

1713
01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:29,469
having and brought up in a environment

1714
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:33,100
of Catholicism and actually gone to a

1715
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,800
seminary and graduated from you know

1716
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:37,600
this is something was very much part of

1717
01:21:44,610 --> 01:21:41,620
our our family you know as far as the

1718
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,620
lore of different interesting things and

1719
01:21:49,890 --> 01:21:46,480
the movie I remember in the movie came

1720
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:49,900
out my god it was great yeah what I I'm

1721
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,449
really enjoying Paul's interview the two

1722
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,400
of you're doing a great job but it was

1723
01:21:58,439 --> 01:21:56,560
great to hear raises voice jump in there

1724
01:22:00,570 --> 01:21:58,449
it was just took me by surprise

1725
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:00,580
I almost got down on my knees right then

1726
01:22:06,090 --> 01:22:04,510
and I want you to know hey just just to

1727
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:06,100
let you see him you're welcome to stay

1728
01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:08,170
on the rest of the show as far as I'm

1729
01:22:12,450 --> 01:22:09,460
concerned

1730
01:22:14,189 --> 01:22:12,460
Sam's a great guy and and I'm sure he's

1731
01:22:16,350 --> 01:22:14,199
got a lot to talk about this so we're

1732
01:22:18,060 --> 01:22:16,360
gonna close the lines for the rest of

1733
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:18,070
the show they had plenty of time to call

1734
01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:21,130
in but anyway Sam you got something to

1735
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:24,190
add to what he's saying or yes

1736
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,530
unfortunately Paul I came in a little

1737
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:29,199
bit late on listening to the show and I

1738
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:32,350
and I you know he's got he's accept my

1739
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,159
apology the the thing was with the area

1740
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,520
that that Fatima's actually in wasn't it

1741
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:41,920
referred to as being something in

1742
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:45,460
reference to a land of light as far as

1743
01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:50,489
the Roman name given to it I don't know

1744
01:22:59,490 --> 01:22:56,230
land of light but Menino Portugal is

1745
01:23:02,490 --> 01:22:59,500
referred to as the the land of Holy Mary

1746
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:02,500
in Portuguese they call it la la terre

1747
01:23:10,350 --> 01:23:07,690
de Santa Maria so it's a long history as

1748
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:10,360
being recognized as as a land that it

1749
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:13,570
has a rich history of devotion toward

1750
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:17,310
the Blessed Virgin right oh absolutely

1751
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:21,340
but I think that very that very area has

1752
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:25,150
a reference to being to a land of that

1753
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:28,510
very vicinity around provincia or that

1754
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:32,409
area it's an all Roman thing that I

1755
01:23:36,990 --> 01:23:34,690
stumble across years ago but in

1756
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:37,000
community house if I find it I'll send

1757
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:39,850
it to you yeah yeah the other the other

1758
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:41,290
thing was it's in true

1759
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:43,690
thing where you were talking about the

1760
01:23:51,450 --> 01:23:47,410
observatory and the something to the

1761
01:23:54,090 --> 01:23:51,460
effect of the Luciferian or something

1762
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,100
about lucifer who is of course in latin

1763
01:23:59,010 --> 01:23:56,320
that Lucifer means the bringer of the

1764
01:24:04,050 --> 01:23:59,020
light that's very interesting to me at

1765
01:24:07,740 --> 01:24:04,060
least yes that's right now oh sorry

1766
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:07,750
oh no no no problem the bringer of light

1767
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:09,820
and here we are talking about a subject

1768
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:13,060
and I again I was drawing in this

1769
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:16,330
scenario of this area of light and then

1770
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,330
seeing this illumination at during a

1771
01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:20,800
period of time when they had so much

1772
01:24:24,510 --> 01:24:22,600
social strife and I don't know if you

1773
01:24:26,370 --> 01:24:24,520
had a chance to get into some of the

1774
01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:26,380
labor issues going on at the time

1775
01:24:32,190 --> 01:24:29,950
communism World War one the wars they

1776
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:32,200
were having trying to maintain their

1777
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:36,010
their their colonies in Africa they had

1778
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,650
a lot of issues so when they had this

1779
01:24:44,190 --> 01:24:41,440
going on it was a perfect it was the

1780
01:24:46,410 --> 01:24:44,200
perfect scenario the perfect storm for

1781
01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:46,420
them to make use of it and turn in their

1782
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:49,990
political both for the church and the

1783
01:24:57,180 --> 01:24:52,210
church was losing property at that time

1784
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,190
as I recall in Portugal and the state

1785
01:25:00,660 --> 01:24:58,960
was taking it back and there were issues

1786
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,670
they were had they were having

1787
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:03,060
confrontations with the church so

1788
01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:06,690
Catholicism was on the line the the

1789
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,580
threat of socialism and communism was

1790
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:12,400
also something very threatening and this

1791
01:25:17,490 --> 01:25:14,380
was the perfect storm for them was it

1792
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:17,500
not yes yeah you're absolutely right on

1793
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:22,080
that at the time communism was spreading

1794
01:25:26,610 --> 01:25:23,440
secularism

1795
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:26,620
was established and I even remembered

1796
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:30,300
reading back and back in that time

1797
01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:32,470
Lisbon was considered one of the most

1798
01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:36,640
secular cities in the world and this

1799
01:25:42,500 --> 01:25:39,720
threat was taking over all of Portugal

1800
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:42,510
religious freedom was being suppressed

1801
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,090
they they they had what they called the

1802
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:48,880
law of separation which meant that you

1803
01:25:54,899 --> 01:25:54,400
know religion had no had no no place in

1804
01:26:11,700 --> 01:25:54,909
in

1805
01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:11,710
faith openly and so there was a perfect

1806
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:15,670
storm at the time it's very interesting

1807
01:26:23,879 --> 01:26:19,870
that this all unfolded the whole

1808
01:26:25,379 --> 01:26:23,889
prophecy of Fatima at that time and you

1809
01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:25,389
know it's interesting because one of the

1810
01:26:30,959 --> 01:26:26,980
things we get into in the film the

1811
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:30,969
Vatican deception is is in the Third

1812
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:33,690
Secret of fátima there's we do have a

1813
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:36,310
line of text that was published by the

1814
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:39,610
Vatican that says in Portugal the dogma

1815
01:26:44,899 --> 01:26:41,350
of the faith will always be preserved

1816
01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:44,909
etc and it seems to be a reference to

1817
01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:48,270
this preservation of Catholic dogma in

1818
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:52,389
Portugal and you know in this time when

1819
01:26:59,459 --> 01:26:56,080
you're speaking of in 1917 where the

1820
01:27:03,840 --> 01:26:59,469
Catholic faith was under under attack by

1821
01:27:05,129 --> 01:27:03,850
these communist forces it would have

1822
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:05,139
seemed like it would have been difficult

1823
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:08,080
for the Catholic faith to overcome this

1824
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:11,260
and yet when Fatima came along it really

1825
01:27:17,490 --> 01:27:13,800
had a very powerful renewal of faith

1826
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:17,500
among the people and and brought back to

1827
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:19,139
their faith

1828
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:22,540
beyond what could have been expected or

1829
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:26,980
imagined so you know like you say it

1830
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:30,880
overturned all of that that it's some

1831
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:33,730
people almost refer to as a miracle for

1832
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:36,449
it to have overturned there were some

1833
01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:39,520
there's the Freemasons as well as you

1834
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:44,199
know the the mayor of they call him the

1835
01:27:53,610 --> 01:27:49,080
magistrate or the tinsmith of Fatima he

1836
01:27:58,140 --> 01:27:53,620
was a known freemason he belonged to a

1837
01:28:02,129 --> 01:27:58,150
local Lodge there and he he was against

1838
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:02,139
the the people coming out in the field

1839
01:28:05,879 --> 01:28:03,850
and praying he didn't want these people

1840
01:28:08,260 --> 01:28:05,889
to come out and he didn't want

1841
01:28:09,670 --> 01:28:08,270
pilgrimages to this location

1842
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:09,680
the children were saying that they saw

1843
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:13,100
the Blessed Virgin and at one tonin

1844
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:17,510
point built a small chapel there and it

1845
01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:20,930
was bombed they blew the roof off of it

1846
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:22,760
and there's pictures if you look at it

1847
01:28:26,020 --> 01:28:24,290
for it on the internet you'll find these

1848
01:28:28,900 --> 01:28:26,030
photos of this chapel that had been

1849
01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:28,910
bombed and they say that it was the

1850
01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:30,710
Masons that bombed it because they were

1851
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:32,420
trying to discourage people from Kappa

1852
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:35,210
from coming out there but their faith in

1853
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:37,210
what happened there was just so powerful

1854
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:39,410
there was nothing they could do to stop

1855
01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:39,860
it

1856
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:44,990
would just bring more people out and and

1857
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:47,450
the numbers are just staggering to this

1858
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:51,380
day if you go out there in Fatima and

1859
01:28:56,170 --> 01:28:53,450
you try to visit that place on any of

1860
01:28:58,570 --> 01:28:56,180
the 13th from May to October but

1861
01:29:01,060 --> 01:28:58,580
especially May 13 and especially October

1862
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:01,070
13 you'll see hundreds of thousands of

1863
01:29:07,180 --> 01:29:03,770
people oh yeah

1864
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:07,190
it's wow you know so it's really turned

1865
01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:09,860
this place into something that you could

1866
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:11,390
never have imagined a hundred years ago

1867
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:14,210
Wow hey we have a we have five minutes

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left

1869
01:29:21,490 --> 01:29:18,110
Sam I'd like to ask you you're sure what

1870
01:29:24,220 --> 01:29:21,500
your thoughts are on you mentioned that

1871
01:29:25,930 --> 01:29:24,230
you had like a Catholic background or

1872
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:25,940
whatever but what's your thoughts on

1873
01:29:34,180 --> 01:29:30,260
this incidents or these incidents as far

1874
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:34,190
as the UFO side of it compared to the

1875
01:29:39,790 --> 01:29:37,880
religious side of it well I personally

1876
01:29:41,290 --> 01:29:39,800
look at it again you know how it is I

1877
01:29:45,730 --> 01:29:41,300
don't believe I'm an investigative

1878
01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:45,740
researcher and that's it and so as far

1879
01:29:50,260 --> 01:29:48,020
as a Dogma or whatever it would have to

1880
01:29:51,370 --> 01:29:50,270
fall in line but you know the thing here

1881
01:29:53,470 --> 01:29:51,380
is when we're doing investigative

1882
01:29:56,170 --> 01:29:53,480
research the evidence has to speak for

1883
01:29:59,740 --> 01:29:56,180
itself and what what Paul is brought up

1884
01:30:03,190 --> 01:29:59,750
and and other researchers too this was a

1885
01:30:06,820 --> 01:30:03,200
spectacle seen by 70,000 plus people

1886
01:30:09,250 --> 01:30:06,830
some say thirty thousand who cares it

1887
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:09,260
was a volume of people all of which had

1888
01:30:14,140 --> 01:30:11,510
multiple agendas for coming out some

1889
01:30:15,670 --> 01:30:14,150
being skeptical just coming out to

1890
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:15,680
thinking they're a bunch of idiots

1891
01:30:20,590 --> 01:30:18,320
others like that I think that the

1892
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:20,600
example well if the King that was a very

1893
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:22,260
good example if the king was coming

1894
01:30:26,690 --> 01:30:24,000
down wouldn't you come out look at that

1895
01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:26,700
it's very good I think that sound for

1896
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:28,620
the majority of the people the other

1897
01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:31,260
ones were of course devout religious

1898
01:30:35,150 --> 01:30:33,270
people they're coming out they're

1899
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:35,160
thinking going to see the Blessed Virgin

1900
01:30:41,870 --> 01:30:38,280
Mary the the other thing was there were

1901
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:41,880
some esoteric groups in the area who

1902
01:30:47,420 --> 01:30:44,490
during that time ran some articles in

1903
01:30:50,150 --> 01:30:47,430
the newspapers talking about some

1904
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:50,160
special event taking place on October

1905
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:50,910
13th

1906
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,010
do you recall and in your research

1907
01:31:02,210 --> 01:30:56,400
reading about that you referring to eat

1908
01:31:05,890 --> 01:31:02,220
at the time in 1917 yes I well I do

1909
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:05,900
remember like I mean they were certainly

1910
01:31:12,170 --> 01:31:08,730
events related to the church calendar

1911
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:12,180
that they observed and celebrated but

1912
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:14,850
that's not what's referring to no no

1913
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:17,490
this is these are known esoteric groups

1914
01:31:22,940 --> 01:31:19,770
that had a feeling that something was

1915
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,950
going to happen October 13th and they

1916
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:25,440
actually had articles in the newspapers

1917
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:27,810
talking about a big event and it was to

1918
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,730
take place and in phantom in that area

1919
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:31,440
but getting back to your original

1920
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:33,810
question if you don't mind the thing

1921
01:31:38,990 --> 01:31:37,020
here is the religious aspect if the

1922
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:39,000
thing here is we don't have to even tear

1923
01:31:42,020 --> 01:31:39,570
it apart

1924
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,030
something transpired something

1925
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:44,340
absolutely genuine and this is where we

1926
01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:47,370
could take the skeptic to task and say

1927
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:49,590
hey the evidence is there there's even

1928
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:52,230
physical trace evidences they're not the

1929
01:31:56,780 --> 01:31:53,280
ground was dry

1930
01:31:59,660 --> 01:31:56,790
there were people experiencing similar

1931
01:32:04,700 --> 01:31:59,670
phenomena the buzzing of insects for

1932
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:04,710
beads to recall that yes there was like

1933
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:07,170
for example I remembered you know people

1934
01:32:11,060 --> 01:32:09,210
were listening to see if they could hear

1935
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:11,070
what the Blessed Virgin was saying and

1936
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:15,090
some people they could hear almost like

1937
01:32:19,730 --> 01:32:17,130
a tiny voice as though as though

1938
01:32:22,730 --> 01:32:19,740
somebody was speaking in in a jar or

1939
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:22,740
like very faintly or like a but a bee

1940
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:24,510
buzzing in a jar or something to that

1941
01:32:30,860 --> 01:32:28,080
effect people and that was the more the

1942
01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:30,870
more distinct was closer and it all

1943
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:33,900
falls in line with but sort a certain

1944
01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:35,740
range of microwaves

1945
01:32:41,070 --> 01:32:38,440
same thing that the the people being

1946
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:41,080
dried the ground being dried after they

1947
01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:43,540
had rain for what was a two days or it

1948
01:32:47,850 --> 01:32:45,670
was quite a bit of rain and there was

1949
01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:47,860
soaked and here roughly was dried these

1950
01:32:53,820 --> 01:32:50,140
are events this is physical trace

1951
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:53,830
evidence people being cured of certain

1952
01:32:58,590 --> 01:32:56,170
ailments which could fall in line with

1953
01:33:01,470 --> 01:32:58,600
certain the effect of certain microwaves

1954
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:01,480
or certain energies affecting you it

1955
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:04,020
could relieve some some pain or distress

1956
01:33:09,450 --> 01:33:06,550
possibly even curing people who knows

1957
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:09,460
the bottom line is there's enough enough

1958
01:33:14,460 --> 01:33:11,650
physical trace evidence there are enough

1959
01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:14,470
witnesses there some of which who didn't

1960
01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:16,720
want to come there to accept anything as

1961
01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:19,030
being plausible and yet they experienced

1962
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:21,640
it themselves the bottom line is the

1963
01:33:24,380 --> 01:33:23,470
event did take place it is not a

1964
01:33:31,020 --> 01:33:24,390
hallucination

1965
01:33:34,020 --> 01:33:31,030
or trace evidence I mean really and

1966
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:34,030
that's so absurd but yet we the skeptics

1967
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:35,530
will come out there not even call them

1968
01:33:40,710 --> 01:33:38,620
skeptics just downright cynics something

1969
01:33:44,730 --> 01:33:40,720
took place now I want to put it into the

1970
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:44,740
realm of something it has to do with

1971
01:33:50,010 --> 01:33:48,130
religion I have no clue maybe maybe not

1972
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:50,020
I'd say it's outside the scope of

1973
01:33:53,670 --> 01:33:51,670
anything we could really put our our

1974
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:53,680
finger on and say oh it's absolutely

1975
01:33:58,830 --> 01:33:55,690
this it doesn't sound like the

1976
01:34:00,840 --> 01:33:58,840
conventional UFO case in its entirety

1977
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:00,850
like you were talking about the

1978
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:05,470
religious aspects the the at the praying

1979
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:08,680
or the insistence of lechia having to

1980
01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:14,050
say the Rosary to remember that that's

1981
01:34:19,260 --> 01:34:16,240
right in the first apparition actually

1982
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:19,270
the the only - and see this is why I

1983
01:34:22,830 --> 01:34:21,040
don't think this is all a coincidence I

1984
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:22,840
think these things happened so that we

1985
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,150
could look at it and we can dissect it

1986
01:34:30,150 --> 01:34:27,280
and get an understanding from it the

1987
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,160
when the first apparition happened the

1988
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:32,320
two girls were able to see the Blessed

1989
01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:32,890
Virgin

1990
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:35,860
but the cousin the young boy Francisco

1991
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:39,130
he couldn't see it and so he was asking

1992
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:41,110
what are you looking at what's going on

1993
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:45,430
and so what happened was Lucia was told

1994
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:48,490
by the Blessed Virgin that if Francisco

1995
01:34:52,830 --> 01:34:49,510
starts to say the

1996
01:34:56,459 --> 01:34:52,840
rosary he he'll be able to see her also

1997
01:34:59,370 --> 01:34:56,469
and so he that's what he did he started

1998
01:35:01,649 --> 01:34:59,380
praying the rosary and she's the Blessed

1999
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:01,659
Virgin started to appear to him as well

2000
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:04,960
so there's there's these religious you

2001
01:35:09,390 --> 01:35:07,150
know aspects to it that you can't really

2002
01:35:12,359 --> 01:35:09,400
ignore you know a UFO would not have

2003
01:35:15,169 --> 01:35:12,369
asked for that sort of thing right like

2004
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:15,179
we are I'm sorry we are out of time here

2005
01:35:21,660 --> 01:35:19,090
so hey sank you so much verdant beyond

2006
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:21,670
hey save you all pleasure lab we'll be

2007
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:24,880
talking abut okay thank you gentlemen

2008
01:35:31,799 --> 01:35:27,190
all right all right you're all thanks so

2009
01:35:34,189 --> 01:35:31,809
much Paul and so the Vatican movie.com

2010
01:35:37,529 --> 01:35:34,199
something like that right your website

2011
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:37,539
the Vatican deception calm sorry got an

2012
01:35:41,970 --> 01:35:40,000
interception that's it yes all right

2013
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:41,980
thanks so much and people can get in

2014
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:43,420
contact with you that that way I believe

2015
01:35:47,370 --> 01:35:45,150
I did all right take care

2016
01:35:49,979 --> 01:35:47,380
great thank you very much thank you

2017
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:49,989
alright so thanks so much for listening

2018
01:35:56,609 --> 01:35:52,170
and we're going to be back next week

2019
01:35:59,250 --> 01:35:56,619
with our guest Scott Dechaine and we'll

2020
01:36:02,700 --> 01:35:59,260
be talking about living UFOs it's a very

2021
01:36:06,450 --> 01:36:02,710
sort of organic type UFOs it's really a

2022
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:06,460
quite a fascinating side of that story

2023
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,610
so all right I want to thank the people

2024
01:36:14,490 --> 01:36:11,199
that helped out with the show race for

2025
01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:14,500
chiming in and helping out and also

2026
01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:17,380
Alejandro and our guest of course I want

2027
01:36:21,419 --> 01:36:19,030
to thank them all and thank you the